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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:37 pm    Post subject: Electricity Up Again. Reply with quote

The electric bill high enough for you? Electricity to go up, again, by a whopping 11% from January 1st. A survey in El Mundo reveals that 93% of Spaniards hold the Government responsible for what must be the highest electricity bill in the civilized world.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...or should that be 'the uncivilised world'?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
With all the sunshine , solar would seem the obvious choice for cheap electricity after the initial outlay but electricity seems expensive worldwide so its not just a local problem.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has just gone up here in the UK by 10%, the dearest is about 14 pence a kilowatt hour , cheapest about 10 pence
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that I have swithed to a dual meter here in Spain my average price per kwh is 9.8c (c. 8p) excluding taxes etc. or 11.7c (10p) excluding taxes but including potencia charge.

With this new solar tax it is unlikely to be worthwile installing a solar system anymore.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One week in Spain bill for two months, with Endesa 10 euros of electricity used, total bill 65 euros icon_eek.gif
Details below, apologies for spacing, got too hard to fix:-
FACTURACION DEL CONSUMO 81 KWH x 0,126543 EUR/KWH [color=blue][color=blue]10,25
[/color] (01)
Potencia 6,9 KW x 59 x 0,09767 EUR/KW Y DIAS 39,76
Impto. Electricidad 50,01 EUR x 1,05113 x 4,864 % 2,56
ALQUILER DE EQUIPOS ELECTR. 1,57
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. Subtotal 54,14
. IVA NORMAL 21 % de 54,14 11,37
Total Factura: 65,51
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeffers

As we live here all the time and use a lot of elelctricity (in the winter) the potencia charge doesn't really hurt us much. However, for you it is clearly massive.

Looking at the figures you have quote, i.e. 81 Kwh in 7 days it would appear that you use less than 12Kwh per day. In the past we have averaged over 60Kwh per day on potencia of 8.05Kw and our power has never tripped. Accordingly your potencia would at 6.9Kw would appear to be too high. If you were to reduce you potencia to 3.3Kw then that bill could have been reduced to €39.12.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Legin is correct, go for the lower tariff [ potencia to 3.3Kw ] our charge for 23 days in [October] Spain were 52 e
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[/quote]...or should that be 'the uncivilised world'?[quote]

Love it!!

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spain caps power prices, pledges fresh energy solution.

Spain's government decreed a 2.3% increase in electricity prices for the first quarter of 2014 and said it was working on a new formula for consumer power bills after several failed attempts to reform a distorted energy market.

Spain's electricity prices, already among the highest in Europe, came under fire last week after a controversial wholesale power auction that would have pushed consumer bills up by a painful 11% in the first 3 months of 2014.

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The government annulled the Dec. 19 auction after competition watchdog CNMC found signs of "atypical circumstances."

In a decree on Friday the government set a 2.3% rise in electricity prices, including a liberalised base rate and regulated fees, for the first quarter of 2014.

PM Mariano Rajoy said the government was working to establish a definitive pricing mechanism for the 2nd quarter.

"We can't have the 3rd highest electricity prices in Europe because that makes it more difficult for Spanish companies to compete and is not good for creating jobs in our country," Rajoy said at a year-end news conference.

Spain recently emerged from 5 years of economic recession or stagnation but is still battling a sky-high unemployment rate of 26%.

Rajoy said the new pricing mechanism would be in line with a proposal by regulator CNMC to replace the use of wholesale power auctions with electricity futures prices as a benchmark for base rates that account for about 40% of consumers' bills.

The remaining 60% of bills is comprised of regulated fees, which Rajoy said would rise by 0.9% to help cover a growing tariff deficit in the electricity sector.

Spain's electricity tariff deficit, the result of a decade-long shortfall between revenues and system costs including renewable subsidies, has continued to grow despite a series of government reforms meant to close the gap.

The accumulated deficit will reach at least €30 billion in 2013 after the government withdrew €3.6 billion of funds it had pledged to help cover any additional deficit this year.

That decision preceded the controversial power auction last week.

Spain's biggest electricity utilities, including Endesa , Iberdrola and Gas Natural will have to hold the tariff debt on their balance sheets for the next 15 years, weighing on their credit ratings. Tumbit

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